LazarheaD 2012-05-19 20:36:06

Anime sucks!

francisyfl 2012-05-19 20:43:24

awesome !! loved the first one

I-smel 2012-05-19 20:55:10

Halfway through, this is cool. This is a podcast, once you make more you should put it on iTunes, cos I don't think there are many cartoon podcasts that aren't about My Little Pony.

I'd literally never heard of Road To El Dorado, but I just watched the trailer and oooooooomg I should watch this right now.

I-smel 2012-05-19 21:46:41

Alright that was definately cool.

Hey what do you think of Gainax anime? Cos Panty and Stocking was a thing, and some of the animation was fffffucking ballistic, nuts, fun as hell, but I can't watch a whole episode cos the characters and the writing and everything is fucking awful and as unfunny as it gets.
Gurren Lagaan had an excellent style aswel (I think) and even though the Japanese-ness of it was still kind of annoying, it wasn't bad enough to totally switch me off it.
Egoraptor did a panel where he reccomended everyone watch an anime called Re: Cutie Honey, and I got halfway through the intro like "Oh man I can see why thi--" and then I realised it was totally an unfunny wank-bait hentai anime and was like "oh god fuckin dammit" and it was just the worst.

This is a long comment, BUT: I've thought a lot about anime being so unfunny and what's up with that. I've only ever laughed at one anime, and it wasn't a comedy, it just had funny parts. I'm not reccomending this to anyone cos it's dumb that I watched it, but Haruhi Suzumiya is animated with one defined art stlye from start to finish. It DOESN'T change, people's heads don't turn giant when they shout, giant fuckin sweat drops don't appear on people's heads, people don't flip upside-down Pokemon-style, everything's just delivered straight and within the boundaries of how it'd happen in real life. So whenever something funny happened, it'd come out completely deadpan, or it'd lean on the character's natural delivery.
So for the first time I laughed at an anime, more than once.
But then maybe I just turned retarded?

Hulalaoo 2012-05-19 22:09:20

cant wait for more negropolis

SpamClamberton 2012-05-19 23:44:24

Oh boy oh boy oh boy
I'm headin out the door right now but when I get back I'm gonna watch the fuck outta this and then I'm gonna have so many opinions to throw your wayyyy <3

MindChamber 2012-05-20 00:46:43

Hunchback was untouchable.. I cant push that movie enough, and yah fuck anime.
Though I did fall in love with Tiger and Bunny, and ippo.

Dawnslayer 2012-05-20 01:23:48

Something to throw into a future rant about 3D animation: 3D should not be treated as a style - it should be treated as a tool. Some of the best use of 3D can be found in what are otherwise 2D animated films. The Prince of Egypt, great movie; Titan AE, great movie; Atlantis, suffered from sequelitis, but still pretty damn good. Ironically, Prince of Egypt was made by DreamWorks, which is now both the worst offender of 3D supremacism and the best example of why it isn't true.

So yeah, when referring to it as a style, fuck 3D in its hairy, crank-operated cookie-cutter ass. Looking forward to more "Cool Story."

Krinkels 2012-05-20 03:54:15

Climaxed at Batman. I'll watch the rest later.

Krinkels 2012-05-20 03:54:16

Climaxed at Batman. I'll watch the rest later.

SpamClamberton 2012-05-20 07:54:28

Wha'd I tell ya boy I told ya

Yeah man I know exactly what you mean about hating cartoons. It's like in visual art as a whole there's such a myriad of styles and subjects, millions of different movements with different senses of design and purpose, and then I look back at animation, and everything is either in the animu camp or the "krazy kartoony kamp", both of which I can't fucking stand. I really have to look hard to find anything of any quality.
It's true, the western attitude of 'animation is for kids' has really been holding America back since like the 70s. Because apart from the fact that there's hardly any good cartoons written for adults, people know they don't have to put effort into a show when it's aimed at 8 year olds. When I was 8 I could tell the difference between a good cartoon and a shit one, but I still sat there and stared at it like a dumbass rabbit in the middle of the road. And I still find people who look back at the bad shows with a fond nostalgic eye. If you look up the biggest piece of shit show from your childhood on Youtube, the top comment is gunna be "This show WAS my childhood. Cartoons today are all rubbish."
Anime doesn't have that problem. My God it's got a lot of problems, but it doesn't have THAT problem. I can't imagine America making an animated psychological thriller at any point soon. Horror, action, porn, drama, murder mystery. There is anime of all of this. Most of it is unwatchable, but at least they've fucking tried, and some good ones have emerged from it all. And you're right, regardless of how bad they may be, they try to actually animate them cuz they know people that give a fuck are watching.

If to get a cartoon out there in America it has to be aimed at kids, it means that most writers don't actually fall into the same demographic as their audience. They sit there going "kids like this kinda stuff, right?" And it's sad, most of the real gem kids shows America has made have been good because you can tell the writers are not only funny writers, but rather than writing jokes for kids they're writing jokes that they like too. They have to find an overlap in what they find funny and what kids will, and half the time the show gets axed cuz the jokes still lean more towards them than the children. Good shows still rise out of this situation, people can make g or pg rated comedy that's OUT OF ROOM END OF PART 1

SpamClamberton 2012-05-20 07:57:39

PART 2
As I was saying, people can make g or pg rated comedy that's still actually good outside of making your child shut up for 30 minutes, but people shouldn't HAVE to be limited to that. And of course just then I was only talking about comedy. There are examples outside of comedy, of animated American kids shows that aren't completely lackluster, like Avatar as you mentioned before. Only there are pretty damn few examples cuz 95% of cartoons America is making ARE comedy, and if they wanna have more successes in other genres they're gonna have to make more attempts. Horrible, failed attempts.
In Western society the tradeoff for adult animation is that it's made on a budget of nothing, which for the most part means nothing is actually gonna be 'animated'. Superjail is one of the only exceptions to that rule I can think of, and funnily enough it's become my favourite show (well, season 1 at least. I can't speak on behalf of season 2 since I haven't seen it). And so it makes me think, if America actually made adult animated shows, that weren't sitcoms, and actually took pride in the animation, I'd fucking love it. I love all the ones I've seen, and I've seen probably 5 at most.

Apart from that I just don't try with TV series. I stay in the safety of art films, which are inevitably never series, and always one-offs, since they're usually made out-of-pocket. Apart from the fact that animators are often gonna animate well on their more personal films, I prefer experimental animations mostly cuz I'd rather sift through movies where people have tried something new and it's failed, rather than tried something that's already been tried and it's turned out the same. This comes back to what I said before about how there's more styles applied to unmoving visual art. I'm seeing a greater mix of styles, and styles I've only seen in still art, in independent animation than I would watching fucken Disney Channel. Internet and Animation festivals seem to have more on offer.

Anyway, cool story bro. I'll make sure to keep watching these, and if you keep making these FP posts for 'em I'll make sure to keep leaving massive rambly comments that you won't feel like reading. And if you don't make FP posts I'll just start emailing all these words to you every fuckin week.

Talk later, honeycunt <3

kingslug 2012-05-20 10:07:48

I agree when you said that avatar the last airbender was a big fuck you to japan with no blood either and the whole comic book shop thing is very true

PiGPEN 2012-05-20 10:17:45

we should do one of these together bro......i will counterpoint you to death.

I-smel 2012-05-20 10:33:58

I agree you should do one with another person.

If you do Anime part 2 and one with PigPen this week then you'll have like 3 weeks worth of content already.

VidGameDude 2012-05-20 12:10:47

Anyone saying there's superiority of any type of art compared to others hasn't had enough artistic perspective experience to exclaim such statements.

3d is in no way a step up from 2d.
Both have there cons and pros.
but let's talk about 3d real quick

Con show:
Ever take a look at that failed abortion Fan boy and chum chum?
It was an obnoxious conglomerate of snot paste plots and garbage filled laborious comedy.
Hell, it wasn't even comedy in the first place; rather an experiment to make more money off the degradation of their viewers minds. The character designs were somewhat sub par creative, but the motions and expressions were just too over the top; it puts off alot stirred emotion. the buildings being all twisted and gnarled set me in a dream/nightmare state.

Pro show:
You've seen FireBreather?
Those animators, knew what the fuck they were doing. Character designs were clean cut, and consistent. The lighting atmosphere felt so natural as well as welcoming, like i was back at my home town. All the characters personalities touched a good amount of emotions of calming, dullness, happiness, indifference, optimism, fury, and even depression. Each had a role to play and worked well. Shit, even that parkour bit in the highschool was just too damn good.

i would like to delve further into the subject but i said i'd make it quick

Thanks for this video jaz, you're voice speaks words that ring true.

I-smel 2012-05-20 12:39:30

3D being a step up from 2D is dumb in cartoons, but in games it's kind of a weird nebulous argument.

Games are driven by the person playing, so you can't really DRAW light and shadows on something if you don't know where it's gonna be. You can do a FAIRLY good job of it if you're smart and you put a lot of work in, but at a certain point it's gonna make way more sense to do it as polygons and shaders.
And also, what- are you gonna draw the character from every angle depending on where the camera is? Most people's favourite games wouldn't be possible in 2D, whether it's the art or how it played or practically any of it.

But yeah, with regular animation you're free to do whatever. I guess it comes down to what's "trending" and what your budget is and blah blah blah producers.
How things look in games is a giant seperate web of conversations though, jus throwin it out there before anything gets mixed up in a weird way.

theojeca 2012-05-20 12:49:57

Why i have the impressions that a huge part (to don't say WAY TOO MUCH) anime and recent cartoons i watched are all the same?

I mean, it's full of politically correct/stories jockes and stuff and where they are dealing with "SENSITIVE SUBJECTS" it's just like: "And now in this 3 sec sequence we'll make a fast 2'nd degree joke to point out that it might probably have a problem about that but because we want to be totally definitly sure that average people watch this, we'll stop right here and feel like we have done what should have been done and have a clear conscience.

Why noone dares to do things? Why noone does: oh hey, it was funny right? But not only because it refers to a possible social problems/funny truth/fact, it's because THERE IS a problem (or just something unusual for bigots), and we'll continue to smash your eyes and ears through your screen till you puke rainbows! BECAUSE IT IS CREATIVE AND FUN.

It's not a fuck-the-society-comment (although...) but i'm tired of this flat stuffs, it just remind me clean death of vilains in walt disney movies.

Miccool 2012-05-20 19:51:04

Now Jackie chan adventures was the shit